They would be operating a 9 seat Pilatus, so they would operate Part 135 as well.  Big difference in service.  Cape Air is more like an airline, with interline agreements for ticketing and checked baggage.  Boutique is more like a typical 135 carrier.  They have newer pressurized aircraft so that is a plus over Cape Air's 40 year old fleet.  But in most cases where they fly they drop passengers off outside the secured area, at a Fixed Based Operator for example.  So you'd then have to take your bags, check in with your next airline (Most likely in a separate terminal) and proceed through security.  So forget any tight connections.

Patrick O'Brien
Research Engineer
Beacon Institute for Rivers & Estuaries
Clarkson University
Downtown Snell 102
(315) 261-2318

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:36 AM, Erik Bollt <ebollt@clarkson.edu> wrote:
Thanks Patrick.

How many seats are on the Boutique airline airplanes?

In any case, I am reporting hesitancy to increase investment.
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On Nov 30, 2016, at 3:22 PM, Patrick O'Brien <pobrien@clarkson.edu> wrote:

Actually Cape Air does operate Part 135, not Part 121.  There is an exemption for aircraft with 9 or less seats.  It saves the communities some too.  You don't have to have manned Crash-Fire-Rescue at the airport and some other things.  You would need a passenger terminal which meets TSA size and room requirements.  Which would probably be the biggest obstacle to Potsdam, behind getting an EAS exemption that is.  

Patrick O'Brien
Research Engineer
Beacon Institute for Rivers & Estuaries
Clarkson University
Downtown Snell 102

On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 9:13 AM, Erik Bollt <ebollt@clarkson.edu> wrote:
Cetin and Dan,  I love the idea of commercial operations flying out of Potsdam.

But we do not have the infrastructure.  Not that it couldn’t be built but we do not currently have that infrastructure.  While we can have part 135 flights (charter), I do believe we cannot have general part 121 (standard scheduled flights) offered to the general community without the faculties for TSA security and so forth.  We do not have those facilities at Potsdam at this time.  We do have a good runway of suitable quality for the category of airplanes of the category I believe are considered in this discussion, and also the approaches, but not the building and security.  I also fly, but also, I chair the Potsdam airport committee.  I know I was there when a person from the NY DOT approached Potsdam several years ago to talk about what it would take to get those facilities.  They are surprisingly expensive for what seems like a minor modification to an expensive facility like Potsdam’s airport, PTD, but there are state and federal grants for such things.  This is what MSS, OGS, and SLK all did, and OGS did again in their recent extensive expansion. But there are two factors to keep in mind in something like that.  One is that it is a multi year process to propose, which first requires that it be in the multi-year plan in the first place, and an airport must have a multi-year plan, and second, it requires some minor fraction (but still substantial) financial commitment from the managing entity which in this case is the village of Potsdam.  I would say that from my observation that when it comes to the airport at this time, the village would take some significant convincing to agree to expand their financial commitment, even if I and many of us would personally love to see this happen.  I was a strong fan of that when the DOT visited to suggest the idea several years ago.

Meanwhile, even with full support, I doubt the airline will not come here in the short term without those required complete turn key facilities (TSA and terminal etc), that they have at those other airports.  SO in the short run, bird in the hand, I would support an expanded service out of MSS and continue to press for facilities to allow some kind of service at PTD in the future.

Erik

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 W. Jon Harrington Professor of Mathematics
 Dept of Mathematics
 Clarkson University
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On Nov 30, 2016, at 2:24 PM, Cetin Cetinkaya <ccetinka@clarkson.edu> wrote:

Hi All,

I'd support Dan's proposal. Potsdam makes better sense, and it seems we have the facilities.

cck



On Wed, Nov 30, 2016 at 5:59 AM, Daniel Rissacher-Student <rissacdj@clarkson.edu> wrote:
Kelly-

As many people may know, I am a pilot and I have been trying to bring aviation to Clarkson for transportation, education and as a student activity however I have been thwarted by the highly risk-averse nature of our institution. I support any aviation growth in the region and services such as this should keep most of the risk external to Clarkson.

The only question I would ask when addressing proposals like these is: why not Potsdam? I’m sure the Massena town council doesn’t want to hear that because they want the business, but our own airport could support the type of operation that you are describing and already has an operating charter operation. Just keep in mind that Potsdam has a great underutilized airport that I should also point out Clarkson owns about half of (the other half was given to the village to construct the airport  believe).

Thanks for reaching out for everyone’s feedback.

-Dan

Daniel J. Rissacher, Ph.D.
Research Assistant Professor, Clarkson University
CITeR Affiliate Relations
Dept of Elec & Comp Engineering
CAMP 246



On Nov 29, 2016, at 5:43 PM, Kelly Chezum <kchezum@clarkson.edu> wrote:

All,

 

We had more than 50 people respond directly to me and/or to the list serve on the topic of the Massena Airport Service – thank you for contributing to the community’s dialogue.  I will be sharing the following with the Massena Town Supervisor for their public meeting tomorrow evening.  If you have any questions, please send me a note to kchezum@clarkson.edu.  Thanks.  Kelly

 

***

 

In terms of cities to be serviced, the tallies below represent the top choices with some people just listing one city and others two.  I understand the newspaper did indicate that Chicago was under consideration, but in following up with the Supervisor, the four he asked for feedback on are currently in contention.  I did leave these other options as “write-in” candidates as noted.   

 

Albany – 15
Baltimore – 24
Boston -25
Buffalo – 6

 

Other “write-in” Cities:
NYC – 11
Chicago – 8
Toronto – 1
Ottawa - 1

 

Summary of Themes in the Comments: 

 

·       With Clarkson operations active in the Capital Region, the current Cape Air flights to Albany, NY from both Massena and Ogdensburg are used relatively frequently.   There was sentiment and hope that at least one of the two regional airports would continue or expand that service.  The same could be said for Boston, which people now drive to Saranac Lake to catch the Cape Air flight there.  

 

·       The people who fly Cape Air have been appreciative of the company’s level of customer service and commitment to the North Country. 

 

·       The appeal of a pressurized cabins/ more weather resilient planes and flights from Boutique Air was acknowledged in the feedback.  There are concerns however about passenger’s needing connecting flights and the reciprocity agreements that the airline has in place to move bags quickly and for getting flights changed when there are delays on those connections.     

 

·        Access to connections were a driver for people selecting Boston and Baltimore, so that they have the potential for just 2 legs on a journey and not the three that most currently have when connecting Massena to Albany.  

 

 

 

 

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Vice President for External Relations | Clarkson University                                        

 

From: Kelly Chezum [mailto:kchezum@clarkson.edu] 
Sent: Monday, November 21, 2016 9:56 AM
To: 'general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu' <general_discussion@lists.clarkson.edu>
Subject: Massena Airport Service - Considering Destinations to Albany, Boston, Buffalo and Baltimore

 

Colleagues,

 

We know many people travel in /out of Potsdam on different modes of transportation and when travelling by air, consider several different options.

 

The Town of Massena is currently reviewing two proposals by airlines to provide air service from Massena International Airport to regional air service hubs. 

 

The current supplier has three daily roundtrips to Albany with connecting service to Boston on nine-passenger Cessna aircraft.  The same carrier also offers flights to Albany with connections to Boston via the Ogdensburg Airport.   

 

The Town of Massena is also considering a provider (may be an alternative provider) with nine-passenger planes that has offered to fly two direct routes,  with the Town needing to choose two choices from among the list of Albany, Boston, Buffalo or Baltimore.  

 

The Town Council will be holding a public meeting on Nov. 30 at 5:30 p.m. in Room 30 on the second floor of the Massena Town Hall, 60 Main St..  If you would like to submit comments to me about the likelihood you would use the Massena Airport with these destinations, including naming the two direct destinations you would most likely choose to use, I will be collecting wider feedback from Clarkson and sending a summary to the Town Supervisor.   Your response to me by November 29 would be appreciated.  

 

Please let me know if you have further questions or comments.  Thanks. 

 

Kelly 

 

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Kelly O. Chezum, MBA ’04, DLP
Vice President for External Relations | Clarkson University                                        
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